The Lawfare Podcast: Through the Looking Glass with Mike Doran, Part II

By Benjamin Wittes
Saturday, January 6, 2018, 1:30 PM

In Part II of my lengthy conversation with my former colleague Michael Doran, we talk in detail about the Russia investigation. Doran is a Middle East policy specialist, who served in the George W. Bush White House, at the State Department, and at the Pentagon. He is unusual among Washington foreign policy and national security experts in being vocally supportive of President Trump and dismissive of the Trump-Russia allegations. In the first part of the conversation, we talked about how Doran broke with the #NeverTrumpers, how he sees the President, and how he sees the Russia investigation in broad strokes. In the second half, we talk about the Mueller investigation, the FBI, the Justice Department leadership, and the prosecution of Michael Flynn.

One quick correction: At one point towards the end of the podcast, Doran asks me what percentage of the popular vote Hillary Clinton received. I misspoke, saying she got 53 percent. She actually received 51 percent of the two-party vote, winning the popular vote by roughly 3 million votes.