Abe Shinzo is second only to Xi as the most consequential East Asian politician of the 21st century. Tobias Harris of the Center for American Progress joins to discuss his new biography of Abe, The Iconoclast.
Tobias and I discuss his dramatic rise, fall and return to power; how he reshaped governance in Japan through bureaucratic reform; how he managed relations with the US and China; and how tasty his wife's izakaya is.
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