The Chatter Podcast: The Truth About UFOS with Leslie Kean

By David Priess
Thursday, January 27, 2022, 9:19 AM

This week, Shane Harris talks with veteran journalist Leslie Kean, who has done groundbreaking and widely admired reporting on unidentified flying objects. And, no, that does not mean aliens. Kean's bestelling 2010 book, UFOs: Generals, Pilots, and Government Officials Go on the Record, was a sober account of credible, first-hand witnesses to unexplained aerial phenomena. In 2017, Kean co-authored a major New York Times article that revealed a secret Pentagon effort devoted to the study of UFOs. More recently, the U.S. government has begun to standardize UFO reporting by military personnel and has declassified more information about what it knows about strange objects in the sky. Kean's reporting played a significant role in those disclosures. 

Kean discussed her early career as a journalist, her travels in Burma, and her interest in Buddhism. And she talked about the important questions that remain about UFOs, and what the U.S. government may be on the cusp of answering.   

Chatter is a production of Lawfare and Goat Rodeo. This episode was produced and edited by Cara Shillenn of Goat Rodeo with engineering assistance from Ian Enright.

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Leslie Kean's web site:

Her book: UFOs: Generals, Pilots, and Government Officials Go on the Record

Her New York Times article: "Glowing Auras and ‘Black Money’: The Pentagon’s Mysterious U.F.O. Program"

"Preliminary Assessment: Unidentified Aerial Phenomena" (Office of the Director of National Intelligence